Religion Killed All Those People?

The hilarious thing about radical atheists nowadays is their pathetic, shallow, and ridiculously paltry understanding of not only religion, to which their attention is devoted, but also of history, from which they draw the conclusion that religion is evil.

Take this poorly informed chap, Poch Suzara, for instance, over at some other blog, who starts off his post with such remarkable drivel:

“Throughout History many people have been killed for, or in, the name of someone’s God. Most Religions ‘know’ that their Religion is the only one true and correct Religion and that all others are a threat to their ‘God’, or at least to their Religion, and should be done away with, or ‘converted’ to their Religion.”

You’d think that after the bait he’s given above he’d be subsequently swarming us with sound evidence to support his claims, yet we soon find out, however, he neither does any of that, nor does he even make an attempt to. Rather, he gives us a list which he matter-of-factly names as one that is of “people who probably or actually have been killed in the name of Religion.” (I removed the non-Christian related):

“1. All who were killed by the Inquisition, which was operated by the Catholic Church and also by some governments.

2. All who were killed by God as shown in the Holy Bible (I have seen reference to over 2 million people who were killed by or under the supposed orders of God. I did not add them up, yet. The so-called bad guy Satan is only credited with killing a few people, at least in the Holy Bible. Makes one think, if you are a Freethinker.)

3. All who died in the “Crusades” (Hundreds of thousands if not millions) (Christians and Muslims)

4. American Indians killed for being Pagans by the so-called Freedom of Religion loving Christians (Millions to tens of millions of people)
5. Christians killed by Hitler even thought Hitler was a Christian (Catholic).

6. Freemasons killed by Hitler

7. Hatuey killed by Christians right after the discovery of the New World.

8. Huguenots killed by Roman Catholics in Florida in 1565 in the First Battle for Religious Freedom in America.

9. Irish Catholics and Protestants killed in their fight for whatever they were fighting over.

10. Jacques DeMolay and other members of the Knights Templar murdered by the Catholic Church.

11. Jews killed by Hitler (Said to be over six million, but who knows. Perhaps more, perhaps less)

12. Knights Templar members who were Burned at the Stake by the Catholic Church.

13. Salem Witches

14. Snake handlers who expect God to protect them from rattlesnakes. (God may look after fools and drunks but He only goes so far. Use you God given brain.)

15. Witches who were hung or Burned at the Stake by Christians and perhaps other Religions.

16. Others were not killed but were merely imprisoned and tortured in the name of God. Galileo is an example.”

The really sad — or amusing (whichever the case may be) — thing about what Poch said above is that it’s not satire; no, he’s actually serious. That slab of words I’ve quoted from him above, that was — he was — serious. My estimation of him would be higher in fact had I simply thought him to be disingenuous, as some are wont to be, but no, that’s not the case; he really, truly, believes that shit.

1. Let’s grant him the common tropes, fine; the Inquisition — the medieval, Spanish and Portugal one — the deaths of which we unfortunately find out amount to only 6,000, despite that we are usually told — by atheists mostly — it amounted to millions upon millions.

2. Our ill-informed historian, Poch, goes on to count the one’s “killed by God in the bible”, despite presumably believing in exactly zero of what’s written there. O.K., fine, let’s grant him that, shaky as it may be.

3. Then the Crusades. Ah, one of the usual tropes which nobody — nobody who knows something about history, that is — should grant to our historian given that it was done more for material, rather than religious, considerations. And it would be utterly futile to argue otherwise. The impetus for the Crusades to the East was even the Muslim’s aggressive conquests of Christian Land — it was a response to it.

4. American Indians were killed for their land not their paganism, so shoot that.

5, 6 and 11, are hilariously all about Hitler having killed someone or some group of people, which should apparently be counted against religion by some convoluted logic about Hitler being Catholic. This is, of course, outright idiocy, and therefore, unfortunately for our historian Poch, not counted. If there were any evidence indicating Poch to be an impartial historian, these delusions about Hitler having killed in Gods name subverts them.

7. Hatuey was killed, again, not because of religion, but because of his anti-colonialism. Not counted.

8. Presumably the St. Bartholomew’s day massacre is of what he’s speaking here, where the Catholic church had about 10,000 Protestants killed, seeking to rid the city of them. While I’m tempted to defend this one as just another case of power-hungry ruling elites behaving badly, what the heck, I’ll be generous and give our historian the 10,000.

9. The Protestant and Catholic wars of Ireland were not religiously motivated, although they were often justified in those terms to unite people. The war was scarcely about a theological disagreement on transubstantation, despite that that’s what the radical atheists would have us believe, and was mainly about British colonialism, which the Protestants supported and the Catholics opposed.

10 and 12. Jacks Demolay and the orders of the Knights Templar were arrested and killed because France’s King Phillip was an asshole who happened to be financially indebted to them. Not counted.

13 and 15. The Salem Witch Trials — while we’re led to believe thousands upon thousands of witches were hanged, the actual number is 35.

14. Snake handlers who expect protection from God but get bit instead, have apparently died, if Poch were to be believed, in the name of God. Again, nothing to see or argue against here, just more logical dim-wittery.

15. Galileo was tortured by the Catholic Church, he says. Fine, plus one for you.

What are we left with?

Well, even after being much too generous to him, all in all it amounts to about 2,016,036 deaths — that’s even granting his 2 million biblical deaths, which I don’t even think for one moment is accurate in the slightest.

First, some trivia from Scot Atran, who, according to his Wiki page, “is an American and French anthropologist who has studied violence and interviewed terrorists” — in other words, somone who, unlike Poch Suzara, actually knows shit:

“The Encyclopedia of Wars surveyed 1,763 violent conflicts across history; only 123 (7 percent) were religious.[…]Indeed, inclusive concepts such as “humanity” arguably emerged with the rise of universal religions. “

In other words: sorry Poch 😦

Now, for comparison, let’s take a look this time at the deaths that are causally connected to an atheistic worldview:

For fun, let’s take what University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel claims is the number of all people that have been killed in history — 284,638,000.

Now, for more fun, let’s take the number of people who’ve been killed only within the last century — 151,491,000.

Now, to make it REALLY fun — gobs and gobs! — let’s take the number of people who’ve been killed by atheistic communism — about 110,000,000!

That would, very amusingly, make 1 out of 3 people that’s been killed in history, killed by an ideology that actively promoted atheism and aggressively subverted religion — and that’s only in the LAST 100 YEARS!

Poch thusly ends his post with this little gem:

“Religions are very effective in enforcing population control. Perhaps they encourage ‘be fruitful and multiply’ so that there will be more people for them to kill.”

Uh, right.. pfffttt..buwahahahahah!!

Sorry, Mr. Poch Suzara, but you lose. Play harder next time.

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Posted on September 14, 2012, in apologetics, funny, Religion and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 6 Comments.

  1. Religion is simply a tool…it is not in and of itself the cause of all the death and bloodshed that Suzara makes reference to.

  2. I also get frustrated by these dim-witted claims made by atheists. I just responded to one today by a friend quoting, of all people, Ricky Gervais. Like you said, let’s look at just a few of our recent communist leaders and then let’s drop the argument once you realize how stupid it is. Fun reading as always, Miguel. I wish you would post more often! Maybe start an “Apologist” Facebook page so that we can share?

    • Thanks for the good word, Todd! I don’t actually enjoy writing, and am too lazy to write anything I can’t finish in a few minutes, which is why I don’t post often (lol).

  3. That’s too bad, because you’re a good writer. Any other blogs like yours you would recommend?

  4. I am most proud and happy that I managed to provoke the thoughts of my readers on these pages. I hate religion. I love science. The only sacred truth there is in science is that there are no sacred truths. Indeed, the search of the truth is a never-ending adventure in life. – Poch Suzara

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